Heartless

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Post by Satans Puppy » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:42 pm

feggie wrote:I do have a big birthmark on my face(it's kinda faint so less noticable now than when i was younger) didn't stop me finding the characters in heartless being cliched.

As for the Descent 2 girl saying something out of order. Shauna said she thought the director was maybe better than Neil Marshall, this seemed more likely to be a joke. After all she didn't claim the Descent 2 was a new genre of horror(caving horror without the claustrophobia(think the cave did this first)), did she?
To be honest if Neil Marshall is a big a knob on set as I saw he was to one fan then I wouldn't be surprised if it was a dig and if it was... good on 'er :lol:

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Post by VegaStreetKiller » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:51 pm

Accept that you don't hate the film. But I wouldn't dare mention LTROI in a negative way on this forum!! (nice try but I liked that movie anyways) but will share this...typed in Ridley on utube to see if the q&a was up on line, couldn't find that but did see this! A full interview with the man himself

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Post by streetrw » Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:08 am

feggie wrote:As for the Descent 2 girl saying something out of order. Shauna said she thought the director was maybe better than Neil Marshall, this seemed more likely to be a joke. After all she didn't claim the Descent 2 was a new genre of horror(caving horror without the claustrophobia(think the cave did this first)), did she?
The way I took that jokey remark was "The director - he's not Neil Marshall...." (ahh, go easy on him, he's got a lot to live up to), "....but he might actually be better!" (don't worry about it, it's a cracking movie!).
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Post by The Soapmaker » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:48 am

streetrw wrote:
feggie wrote:As for the Descent 2 girl saying something out of order. Shauna said she thought the director was maybe better than Neil Marshall, this seemed more likely to be a joke. After all she didn't claim the Descent 2 was a new genre of horror(caving horror without the claustrophobia(think the cave did this first)), did she?
The way I took that jokey remark was "The director - he's not Neil Marshall...." (ahh, go easy on him, he's got a lot to live up to), "....but he might actually be better!" (don't worry about it, it's a cracking movie!).
Yeah, I basically agree. Also my take on it was that he was extremely nervous standing there on the stage, he seems like a very nice chap, the cast probably all like him, and she was trying (a) to boost his confidence a bit and (b) to get us to give the film a chance.

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Post by Satans Puppy » Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:43 pm

Plus he did his neck in which is why he was so rigid on the stage :)

Heard shauna ask him how it was... Boooooooo :(

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Post by Alex J » Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:12 pm

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Not sure about this movie. I probably need to see this again and I may appreciate it more on second viewing. The big build-up at the start meant I started analysing the film too much instead of sitting back and enjoying it for what it was, plus a couple of things irked me early on (although these were subsequently undone by the end of the film). Initially it seemed to blame demons for gang culture which seemed just so wrong to me (although this was later revealed to be from the main character's viewpoint), while the wish-fulfilment element of becoming handsome and getting a stunning girlfriend who was so conveniently available also put me off, although this again was reversed later in the film.

Therefore, knowing how the film pans out, I may get more out of it second time around. Having said that, I thought it was obvious that he'd be asked to kill his girlfriend once he was set his first murderous assignment. Overall, a well-made, mature film in many ways, although by no means perfect. 8.5 / 10
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Post by PiercedEyeball » Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:53 pm

Somewhat over-ambitious for Philip Ridley to state that this was a 'new genre of horror', but it was well-made and I particularly liked how it seemed to integrate elements of different genres such as fantasy, social realism and comedy. Acting was top-notch and an interesting take on Faust.

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Post by odishon » Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:13 pm

Quite liked this. Kept my interest and the 'not the girlfriend at the door' bit did make me jump. The bathroom mirror bit, yawn, how many times must this be done? It was in at least another two films of the festival.

Didn't see the Q&A but whilst I think the producer at the beginning was over the top with the 'new genre' thing, it did seem that he was maybe just a little over emotional due to the occasion.

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Post by drippingpaint » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:52 pm

when are producers not over excited about something they hope to sell...

i liked the film though, had not seen Jim strugess before thought he was good, loved eddie marsan (that man is a true gent), he just takes over any scene he his in effortlessly

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Post by Darkly Noon » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:33 am

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The film itself certainly isn't the start of a new genre of horror, but I think the ending is pretty unique in horror history. Most genre films have one of two endings: they're either deeply nihilistic (we're all fucked and even love can't save us from evil) or end on a pat, happy, usually studio-enforced love-saves-all note. The ending of Heartless refuses to go down either route, and simply acknowledges a greater truth - violence and evil is all around us, and always will be, but what's the point of going on if you don't embrace love instead of fear? Saccharine for some, yes, but a truth that seldom gets a chance to be expressed in the genre and should be. I thought the ending did a good job of not tipping over the edge, and Timothy Spall was the perfect actor to say those words. Still gives me goosebumps a week later.




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Post by pauluspink » Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:47 pm

VegaStreetKiller wrote:typed in Ridley on utube to see if the q&a was up on line, couldn't find that
I have the Q&A footage, I may upload it tomorrow! and yes you do see Noel Clarke on his mobile phone several times!!

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Post by AndyJWS » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:46 pm

Though it wasn't especially original, I did very much enjoy it (like with Triangle), and for me too it very much felt like a Clive Barker tale... one thing I did notice is that there were huge amounts of subtle (and unsubtle too) foreshadowing, some of which will probably take a second watch - did anyone catch what book it was Jamie was reading early on?

One thing I did debate a bit after the end was to do with Noel Clarke's character and the links to the Faust element of the story -

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Post by Darkly Noon » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:08 am

Following on from Andy's post...



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Clarke's character was killed by She, the gang leader with the blades in place of a hand (who Jamie killed in the photo studio). I didn't get the connection the first time I saw it, but seeing it again at FF and bearing in mind much of the film is in Jamie's head, it looks like Clarke used to be in a gang with She, who then wouldn't let him lead a normal life. The last time we see Clarke's character alive, he's talking on the phone to someone (obviously She) about how he wants a clean slate, and arranges a meeting. It is then he is found dead, having been ripped to pieces by She's blade. It is Jamie's imagination that conjures up the idea of him having been ripped limb from limb by Papa B and his minions.


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Don't remember what book Jamie was reading, but yes, there's lots of foreshadowing and setting up the ending all the way through the film.

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Post by Jim Fear » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:53 am

Whilst I thought the directors comments about 'a new genre of horror' were somewhat self indulgent I really enjoyd the film. Numerous elements had been seen elsewhere but it look beautiful and the acting was great.

What happened to the 'Stop Hating Heartless' thread? It seems to have disappeared.

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Post by DavieT » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:57 am

Jim Fear wrote:Whilst I thought the directors comments about 'a new genre of horror' were somewhat self indulgent I really enjoyd the film. Numerous elements had been seen elsewhere but it look beautiful and the acting was great.

What happened to the 'Stop Hating Heartless' thread? It seems to have disappeared.
I think it was closed and moved to the FF2009 so far section at the bottom Jim.

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